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well wat ya'll think, had great day got bit burnt but fuck it had a ball savage drivin although some top 16 qualification decisions are questionable think donal garry should have progressed...
weather was deadly driving was brilliant...
not many ppl der doh
judging today was a joke that is the only easy way to put it
was a great weekend..track was very good to last years one...the sun just topped it off..
judging today was a joke that is the only easy way to put it
x2 :confused:
I think the atmosphere is gone :confused:
Not as exciting as it was before, none of the spectators were getting behind drivers or anything.
I thought the track was excellent, and i thought PD tried to maximise tracktime Saturday and running 2 drivers in practice is also a great job.
It moves things along faster and people not used to twinning (me:p) get a feel for having to concentrate on another car aswell as your lines.
Roll on next round
was a great weekend..track was very good to last years one...the sun just topped it off..
You may turn down the boost lad, WAY down :D
When ye sort out the drives that car will be just serious!
The weather was unreal, the crowd was huge! Ye just didn't see it from the middle of the track. I'll get some photos up later.
ian g sr20
18-04-10, 20:17
was a great weekend of drifting and great weather 2 go with it normall rains on pd rounds..
the judges were a joke running rounds again that shudnt of bein run etc,,
its only names 2 the judges not how good of a driver you r..
their was a good turn out comparing 2 other rounds of last year weather played a part in the crowd also
i thought it was unreal yesterday and today:)some unreal drifting went on:D
was a great weekend of drifting and great weather 2 go with it normall rains on pd rounds..
the judges were a joke running rounds again that shudnt of bein run etc,,
its only names 2 the judges not how good of a driver you r..
their was a good turn out comparing 2 other rounds of last year weather played a part in the crowd also
yeah i agree with that there was some bad calls in the judging panel
great weekend,first event and managed to make shit of the car already:D, more gutted not to get qualify run than the damage but lookin forward to punchestown already :D
the reason the crowd doesnt get behind the drivers i think is that the real characters are gone...ffrenchy and johnny p are a huge loss..and the unusual cars like tommy mcdonaghs volvo..mcgoverns manta and ur man from mayo(cant think of his name now) in his green mk ii escort
had a great day but PD really need to do something about the atmosphere! we were lucky enough to be stand beside the the lenihan family and have a bit of banter with them basically cheering for any one but the 3 lads, but it was by far the strangest PD event i have ever been too
i didn't think they got any calls wrong in the head to head but the scores for the super lap were shocking!
Ye I agree. The household names don't be around anymore.. And off topic but seen few members cars today think I seen jap scraps car going out and seen gem's 13 too I think and I love it.
the reason the crowd doesnt get behind the drivers i think is that the real characters are gone...ffrenchy and johnny p are a huge loss..and the unusual cars like tommy mcdonaghs volvo..mcgoverns manta and ur man from mayo(cant think of his name now) in his green mk ii escort
I think its a lot to do with the judges they are very one sided they have their favorite drivers and thats it. Seems like this topic comes up a lot after a round of Prodrift. If you ain't friends with the judges its hard to do well. Like Mondello last time out Sinnott vs Kearney how many times was the ran again till dean spun off. Sinnott had it won clearly and was just ran again and again. Its a joke they should have new judges. They were saying about some drivers being off form all weekend then when Darren Mac does shite they blame the car?? Just think its a case off "not what you know its who you know". Other than that was a great day and savage weather:D
I think its a lot to do with the judges they are very one sided they have their favorite drivers and thats it. Seems like this topic comes up a lot after a round of Prodrift. If you ain't friends with the judges its hard to do well. Like Mondello last time out Sinnott vs Kearney how many times was the ran again till dean spun off. Sinnott had it won clearly and was just ran again and again. Its a joke they should have new judges. They were saying about some drivers being off form all weekend then when Darren Mac does shite they blame the car?? Just think its a case off "not what you know its who you know". Other than that was a great day and savage weather:D
its been like that for years..complete favouritism..the judgin in the super lap was laughable..if pedan says 8 ian bergin says 4..theres a big difference there like..everybody is watchin the same lap. how can there be a 40% diff in the scoring
Only thing i didnt like was the different line we got in Non seeded compared to Seeded................stupid no driving on the concrete shit!! It completely fucked up the natural line, made rubbing the wall near impossible and seemed to cause alot of the crashes!!
had a great day but PD really need to do something about the atmosphere! we were lucky enough to be stand beside the the lenihan family and have a bit of banter with them basically cheering for any one but the 3 lads, but it was by far the strangest PD event i have ever been too
i didn't think they got any calls wrong in the head to head but the scores for the super lap were shocking!
we love dan!!!!
no we love nigel!!!
Ya thats right chuck, keepeing tight at the teardrop clip didnt make it easy to push out to the wall.
Ya thats right chuck, keepeing tight at the teardrop clip didnt make it easy to push out to the wall.
And drifting aint meant to be easy, but i said it to Graham and he said oh the Pro's will have to do it too, but no they didnt!!! :rolleyes:
I should rephrase that actually, it was almost straight between those clips so no real line to drift.
danmoorhead
18-04-10, 21:05
weather was deadly driving was brilliant...
not many ppl der doh
jes i taught der was a right crowd der!!! looked like it 4m da track!!!
there was a big crowd there to be fair just a VERY silent one.
and what the fuck is it with cork and ginger people? i thought i was going to have my soul stolen before we got out of the place :D
@ ste .....im guessn thats you driving the 4 dr skybus gold wheels ....was with you the way home my god why did i follow you down that side road when we hit traffic mother of fuck i thought we lost you and that black tezza in one of them potholes :eek::eek: and i was in the jeep and i even felt them hard ....................great day tho thought ur man christ carpenter was on fire in that first round big smoke and nice lines until something happened you was snappn that was the last i got to see of you .............fair play james deane!........MOMENT OF THE DAY HAD TO OF BEEN NIXON DOIN A SUPERMAN IN THE BACK OF THE VAN WITH HIS TSHIRT CHANGN HAHAHA yes dude i was watchn ye ;) had t laugh at ye tho haha :D
great weekend out loved the new track
great weekend out loved the new track
fair play donal was shoutn for ya today ...was gona say hi when ya came in bu ya looked busy well done all the same ! :)
fair play donal was shoutn for ya today ...was gona say hi when ya came in bu ya looked busy well done all the same ! :)
Yup, was going mad when he was on the home stretch, bap bap bap bap bap, mint :D
jes i taught der was a right crowd der!!! looked like it 4m da track!!!
Dan get the barney car back lad miss that out sliding
what the fuck is it with cork and ginger people? i thought i was going to have my soul stolen before we got out of the place :D
Lol.
For a spectators point of view:
I think the sound system was a major let down.
I couldn't hear what some of the judges were saying at all.
A speed gun on the entry "with a point given for the fastest entry" would have added to the excitement.
As a drifter:
I loved the track, 3rd gear entry:cool:
I qualified 12th + was against "gem-s13" in the top 32.
I ran too tight+ straightened a few times on my first run.
The 2nd run I got close to gem a few times but didn't do enough to get through to the top 16.
Looking forward to round 2.
wheres round two on again !! :confused:
Another thing that pissed me off was the lack of the whole results tent thing!! For one you know who got through and second its good craic!! Milo just had a sheet and barely even told drivers who was in!
Aidan Hogan
18-04-10, 21:49
wheres round two on again !! :confused:
Punchestown lad
Punchestown lad
good man !
was down for the afternoon today, niiiice, crowd was a bit dead though i have to day, an was a bit gay the way everyone fucked off before the prise giving though! anyway, roll on punchestown! baha
conorosr20
18-04-10, 22:03
Savage track,Good turnout,some stupid decisions by the judges as usual,one twin battle in particular today which i rekon a lot of people think the same,prodrift need different judges,every round its nearly the same judges and they have favouritism towards some drivers which is a total joke,im surprised darren wasnt left through after his spins even :rolleyes: Some things never change i suppose.......
Had a great wkend thanks to micko for lending me his pride and joy,didnt know what to expect never competed in a skyline before but i loved it and the track, was un luckey wid intercooler pipes kept blowing off and kept me from finishing twin battle.
One of best things i seen all wkend was mulvey changing his box throwing car up on its side this was dedication, he hasnt lost any of his skills or bottle.
Their was a funny atmosphere alright and a few unsure results , was well impressed wid shane o sullivan, he s upped his game, mike and christy was a good battle, sinnot unbeliveable as always immense angle and smoke and crowd did appreciate his overtakes. james deane has put his stamp down firmly again he s hungary for another title, hope he can show some of this in jdm allstars,give them somthing to talk about other than big remmi:D
DaveM-sport
18-04-10, 22:05
Great first weekend, lots of drama yesterday with Brian getting alittle carried away with a backwards entry in the Compact:D pity a few cars had big offs though like John Macs M3 and a few others eariler
Huge crowd today but I think the lack of atmosphere was due to a few things like the sound quality from the judging not that great, some odd judging at times which would have any spectator confused. Fair play to Peden and Eric though as their decisions on a few battles was better I think even if the majority was against them.
Think he weather needed to be good and big crowds at the first round so it will help keep the interest throughout the season
Guards being check points and sneaking around the pits towards the end was alittle much though!
There was points going for speed on the radar yesterday as John Mac got a few extra with his entry speeds.
Think it was something like an average speed was found and then your penalised for not keeping within 5mph of it but not sure if they used that system in the end
Any idea what the average speed or John Mac's speed was Dave ?
stack-180sx
18-04-10, 22:57
had a grate weekend some weather seen ste r34 2 day nice motor. some crack yesterday qualified 14th and got to the top 16. made shit of the back of my car though but what about it roll on round 2:D
Great day. But as usual judging was a JOKE!
The superlap scores were a shambles.
And in the top 16, some really good drivers were put out because of favoritism.
Its getting really annoying at this stage.
They need different judges each round.
Because it really is a case of who ya know, not how good you are.
Which is so unfair.
On another note the sound system was fuckin awful!:rolleyes:
They were saying about some drivers being off form all weekend then when Darren Mac does shite they blame the car?? Just think its a case off "not what you know its who you know". Other than that was a great day and savage weather:D
Darren qualified first on saturday and then hit the wall hard on his second run. He did his best today but the car was about a foot shorter on one side causing it to steer like a shopping trolley, I think its fair to blame the car for his two spins in top 16.
Overall I think it was a brilliant event to start the year off.You can never keep everyone happy and to be honest I didn't agree with some of the judging either but I know how hard it is for PD to even get judges and I respect the lads decisions.
I dunno what was up with the crowd but even in the pits there seemed to be very little going on, i think its due to only 16 cars being around on sunday. Saturday was absolute madness with cars everywhere and there was a great atmosphere around, maybe have pro qualifying on sunday morning instead ???
Driving was superb, so many lads have stepped up their game big time and although James was amazing today I think he'll have his work cut out to claim another title.
I know there was some words had at the drivers briefing about lines and walls etc, how do the rest of you boys feel about all that as I only spoke to a couple about it. Do you prefer running close to walls out wide ?. Would you have preferred there to be no passing so you could run the walls and just have to follow the lead car instead of defending your line or deciding to make a pass ????
What about spectators, which would you lot prefer to be watching ???
conorosr20
18-04-10, 23:19
Another reason why the spectators are dying out is the price of entry to see it,20 euros like,come on! in fairness most people see it once and thats enough for them,only the die hard crew stay following it,a lot of people had no interest in being there today,as it was said before there was no roaring or support for drivers which is a pity,i think drifting grew too quickly in ireland and its starting to go downhill,great opening event but it will be interesting to see how the rest of the year goes.
pmc-drifter
18-04-10, 23:27
Definately bullshit judging no driver knew what to do, some drivers took the inside line and were punished for it and then some runs were the total opposite i just think the whole event was all over the place.
Deffo have pro qualifying on sunday, its a bit hard to swallow a trip half the length of the country and paying €20 to see 16 cars!
Do you prefer running close to walls out wide ?. Would you have preferred there to be no passing so you could run the walls and just have to follow the lead car instead of defending your line or deciding to make a pass ????
What about spectators, which would you lot prefer to be watching ???
its a 50/50 thing really, as cool as a pass is if its on a shallow line its not as exciting a two cars close to each other on the wall but at the same time i dont want to see a lad binning the car either
What about spectators, which would you lot prefer to be watching ???
More crashes haha
Well, i thought why you dont out some old tyres on the concrete bricks ?
Will be safer IMO ....
lad if you dont agree with the judges that means they are wrong because you actually know what you are looking at.... Like in all fairness some of the calls in the top 16 were a joke. It was bad in past years but today was a whole new level of unfair, its terrible to see such a good sport with such talented drivers being brought down by bad judges.
was a great weekend weather, drifting everything was unreal my biggest let down is the judging i think its a pure joke for example gavin lenihan was robbed he shouldnt ave had to run again against colfer he was without out a doubt the most consistant on every run but the judges wen against him. donal garry again is another i taught was hard done by
in my eyes i think they no who they wana c in the top4 an shit
conorosr20
18-04-10, 23:44
lad if you dont agree with the judges that means they are wrong because you actually know what you are looking at.... Like in all fairness some of the calls in the top 16 were a joke. It was bad in past years but today was a whole new level of unfair, its terrible to see such a good sport with such talented drivers being brought down by bad judges.
Fact,well said.... It is a fuckin joke,every year most drivers complain and yet noone says anything about it.At the end of the day the drivers are putting the money in 'prodrifts' pocket, or is it 'profitdrift' as what it seems now.......
Well lads who would be suitable judges then? Nobody is ever happy.............
peterhouze
18-04-10, 23:48
Well lads who would be suitable judges then? Nobody is ever happy.............
i be a judge :)
i think you need people from different countrys to judge the rounds and different people each round
Well lads who would be suitable judges then? Nobody is ever happy.............
i dont no lad but you c it urself sum calls r rediclous
maybe the boys from the D1GP mite pop ova hahahaha
Well lads who would be suitable judges then? Nobody is ever happy.............
some one that knows what they are lookin at would be a start lad and someone neutral. Sayin no one is ever happy is ok but wait until your on the other side of it some day trust me it will change your mind fairly quick. Some class drivers down there today not one bad driver by any means but some were really hard done by!
was a very good first round, i was out on sat my first pd event qulified was up against james "colldrift" were very good runs, i went trough and went up again damian mulvy!! not expecting to go any further but he had problems with the car so i went trough to top 8 was up againts kevin o connell, i made a sack of the first run i got to close and was either hit or spin so i spun and that was my weekend over was happy enough over all getting 2nd overall in the amatures in my first round, cant wait for round 2!!
some one that knows what they are lookin at would be a start lad and someone neutral. Sayin no one is ever happy is ok but wait until your on the other side of it some day trust me it will change your mind fairly quick. Some class drivers down there today not one bad driver by any means but some were really hard done by!
I have been man, and yes sometimes its silly!! But im just curious to who would take over!! I thought 90% of todays judging was spot on, me and 2 other drivers called most of the same judgements!
I have been man, and yes sometimes its silly!! But im just curious to who would take over!! I thought 90% of todays judging was spot on, me and 2 other drivers called most of the same judgements!
lad i done my first drift event 6 years ago back when it was only starting and have been competing or following ever since. I love drifting (even more than time attack and im champion at that but dont tell anyone:-) ) and about 60% of decisions were rite today at the most and because of that some very promisin pilots missed out! Its not fair
Well I find and have always found ciaran hynes to be biased towards the cork drivers and some of his scores in super lap were unreal bad,. As a spectator I like to see runnin the wall in top 16 don't get me wrong the overtakin is super exciting and gets the crowd going but the lines ran were so much shallower wit good portion of drivers runnin over the inside white line... Off topic, sorry bout the detour git but I fuckin hate abbeyleix and got out of the lane without a scratch.. :) and gem I love the s13 man runnin nice tire stretch..
DaveM-sport
19-04-10, 09:05
had a look at Darrens car Saturday evening just bedew I went home and it was well bent at the front end alright which would have messed things up even if they straightened it as best they could
Maybe the MacNamara team will have to get some spare cars:D
20 euro for Sunday would be alot really considering there was much more action and drama on Saturday and it was only 10 euro. Probably be better to run the Pro Qualifying on Sunday morning as it drags on very late in the evening Saturday especially u there is a few crashes that bees clearing up which is tiring for the drivers and teams as well as it gets too drawn out fir spectators that are there all day
Any idea what the average speed or John Mac's speed was Dave ?
Not sure on inital entry speed but he was well into 3rd gear and 2nd is good for around 60 before he changes and he was well into 3rd which tops out at about 80 or 90
they got a speed for him hitting the wall at nearly 50mph anyway which would have been after bit of braking!
Thought it was a good start to the year... Some good driftin, good weather and a big crowd! Guards at the gate was upsetting but nothing Prodrift can do about that... Some big offs on Saturday which was awesome but at the same time sorry to the drivers involved... And yes Darrens car was bent out of shape, like really badly... Dont think hed 1 gud run Sunday seeing as he done it Saturday... As always loved watchin Donal in that mental little cam... Big congrats to everyone involved especially James, Nigel and Alan for taking the top 3 spots... Roll on Punchestown!
It was a great event BUT and they're big but's, Saturday was too long, it was 7.45 when it finished up. Some of the judging calls were very off. Super lap was a bit random at times.
Personally the worst call of the day was with Alan Sinnott (sorry lad), theres NO way that was a rerun with Mick Deane, Mick beat him fair and square. the first run was very close, I'd even call it a Sinnott win because of the lead he pulled coming out of the tear drop BUT the second run was a 0 for Alan, it shouldn't have even been a question, he cut one corner and then flattened the second cone and then Mick pulled a bigger lead than Alan had in the first run. In the rerun that shouldn't have happened it was very close and that should have been rerun but it was given to Alan.
As for getting judges from a different country, I'm sure its possible but be prepared for the entry fee and ticket costs to go up to pay for it.
ye definetly agree mike v alan shoudnt have been rerun.Theirs no need to bring in foreign judges, just use drivers who arnt competing ,eric could easily do it, people wud respect his decision because of his skill and knowledge behind the wheel and he s well able to talk up their, none of the judges have achieved anything to my knowledge that qualifies them for the position anymore more than any other supporter of PD:D
MCNSPORT.com
19-04-10, 13:14
Some amazing comments here
my car is a complete write off after saturday crash. steering rack, tie rods, chassis all bent but i said id give it a go and see what happened
favourtism comments are just silly
judging is a very hard job and nobody wants to do it. ive judged before and fell out with friends over decisions, you cant win as a judge its a thankless job
had a great weekend,loved everything ,weather,track,speed and how my car now handles.missed out on the top 32 by two places,didnt think i was out enough to the outside clips myself.big thanks to gem and a few of the boys for the start line panel beating on my car:D as i had it too low and the wings and tyres decided to eat each other:eek:
bring on round two,i love punchestown:D
I was watching alongside S13-Ste with the Lenihan clan and it was a good laugh although i've never heard a crowd so quiet. Compare that to the "last Day Out" in the rosebowl (an awesome days drifting!) and the crowd was deafening! Some of the super-lap calls were definitely way-off. As for the twin battles i'd comment on the judging if i actually heard a word they said :D
@carpo your car was just awesome to watch and your skills definitely weren't lacking either.
@danmoorhead that was me that overtook you on the motorway and gave a little beep beep salute!
@Flat Eric, thanks for the passenger spin, was pretty sweeeeet!
as for the calls of favouritism in PD, surely not :D
Darren qualified first on saturday and then hit the wall hard on his second run. He did his best today but the car was about a foot shorter on one side causing it to steer like a shopping trolley, I think its fair to blame the car for his two spins in top 16.
Overall I think it was a brilliant event to start the year off.You can never keep everyone happy and to be honest I didn't agree with some of the judging either but I know how hard it is for PD to even get judges and I respect the lads decisions.
I dunno what was up with the crowd but even in the pits there seemed to be very little going on, i think its due to only 16 cars being around on sunday. Saturday was absolute madness with cars everywhere and there was a great atmosphere around, maybe have pro qualifying on sunday morning instead ???
Driving was superb, so many lads have stepped up their game big time and although James was amazing today I think he'll have his work cut out to claim another title.
I know there was some words had at the drivers briefing about lines and walls etc, how do the rest of you boys feel about all that as I only spoke to a couple about it. Do you prefer running close to walls out wide ?. Would you have preferred there to be no passing so you could run the walls and just have to follow the lead car instead of defending your line or deciding to make a pass ????
What about spectators, which would you lot prefer to be watching ???
Ya thats a true point but he did hit the wall. He is a driver at the top level. The car must have been grand before he hit the wall so it was a mistake by the driver not the car
Some very good comments made,Just read it all now,Will do up my piece in a while just have to nip out!
MCNSPORT.com
19-04-10, 17:39
Ya thats a true point but he did hit the wall. He is a driver at the top level. The car must have been grand before he hit the wall so it was a mistake by the driver not the car
cars cant make mistakes
Robbie Daly Ps13
19-04-10, 17:42
cars cant make mistakes
Very true statement.........!
My point exactly thanks Darren
MCNSPORT.com
19-04-10, 17:50
My point exactly thanks Darren
weird point to be making
i think what eric meant was if the car wasnt fucked then i would prob hav been on the pace or at least have not spun
Ya thats a true point but he did hit the wall. He is a driver at the top level. The car must have been grand before he hit the wall so it was a mistake by the driver not the car
Lad your point was about the judges.... Sayin whatever about blaming the car when he spun twice.... But he spun the day after the crash????? Thats what Eric was getting at and to be honest in the context of your initial comment the 1 above makes absolutely no sense!
danmoorhead
19-04-10, 17:56
cars cant make mistakes
truer words never spokin!!at the end of the day it doesn't matter wen ur in this sort of sport at some point ur goina ave some sort of tip!!! that's wat makes it such a gud spectator sport!!! all ya can really say is shit happens!! i had a very gud luk at darren's car on sunday morning and ders no point in saying any different it would ave been a pure bitch to drive it in a straight line let alone try drift the fuker!! i personally had a savage weekend!!!
Lad your point was about the judges.... Sayin whatever about blaming the car when he spun twice.... But he spun the day after the crash????? Thats what Eric was getting at and to be honest in the context of your initial comment the 1 above makes absolutely no sense!
The judges said it was the car not running right for Darren all weekend. All i am saying is that they would never criticize Darrens driving because who he is.They blame the car instead.
The judges said it was the car not running right for Darren all weekend. All i am saying is that they would never criticize Darrens driving because who he is.They blame the car instead.
Maybe they wer on about the fact hed pretty much no practise saturday because of overheating issues... Which again is a valid point! Fair enough not agreeing with their calls but your just looking for an excuse to bash the judges now!
weird point to be making
i think what eric meant was if the car wasnt fucked then i would prob hav been on the pace or at least have not spun
What i am saying is that the judges will never critasize your driving instead they blame your car. I'm saying the car didn't crash itself you did but they cant see that. NEW JUDGES PLEASE and Darren i aint the only body thinking this. There was moans and groans from the crowd over the superlap results you could here people getting pissed off some scores
its over now roll on round 2
Maybe they wer on about the fact hed pretty much no practise saturday because of overheating issues... Which again is a valid point! Fair enough not agreeing with their calls but your just looking for an excuse to bash the judges now!
Ya i am cause they are FUCKING SHIT i stand by what i say
What i am saying is that the judges will never critasize your driving instead they blame your car. I'm saying the car didn't crash itself you did but they cant see that. NEW JUDGES PLEASE and Darren i aint the only body thinking this. There was moans and groans from the crowd over the superlap results you could here people getting pissed off some scores
Have u heard of clipping points and scoring zones?????
Just cas a car has buckets of smoke or what not dont mean they had the best run.... U gotta get the clips now i cant see the whole track from where i am but im assuming he hit all the clips and other drivers didnt??
MCNSPORT.com
19-04-10, 18:23
What i am saying is that the judges will never critasize your driving instead they blame your car. I'm saying the car didn't crash itself you did but they cant see that. NEW JUDGES PLEASE and Darren i aint the only body thinking this. There was moans and groans from the crowd over the superlap results you could here people getting pissed off some scores
well the judged my driving and gave me the score i deserved??????? i qualified third last in superlap
believe me they seen me crash the car it was right in front of them
i never said anythin about results or scores??????????????
well the judged my driving and gave me the score i deserved??????? i qualified third last in superlap
believe me they seen me crash the car it was right in front of them
i never said anythin about results or scores??????????????
In another post you were defending the judges. My point is simple get new judges for each round. Who thinks the same? Prodrift is nothing with out the support(money) from fans and the fans deserve to see the best drivers win on the day(taking nothing from James Deane he was unreal on the day and Nigel Colfer) also and get rid of favourtism altogether its not just this round last year was the same and the same points come up here after each round.
Have u heard of clipping points and scoring zones?????
Just cas a car has buckets of smoke or what not dont mean they had the best run.... U gotta get the clips now i cant see the whole track from where i am but im assuming he hit all the clips and other drivers didnt??
What are you on about lad??:confused:I ain't stupid. What tie do you have to prodrift must be some cause your really on the defence.
What are you on about lad??:confused:I ain't stupid. What tie do you have to prodrift must be some cause your really on the defence.
Im not being defensive... Its an open forum and im givin my 2 cents just like your giving yours...
Im not being defensive... Its an open forum and im givin my 2 cents just like your giving yours...
It just seems to me you are blinded by something. Were you in Mondello last year for Japfest? Did you think there was anything wrong with the final between Dean Kearney and Alan Sinnott? Sinnott had it won and it kept being ran again and again and again till Dean span off. It happens every round some favourtism between the judges.
It just seems to me you are blinded by something. Were you in Mondello last year for Japfest? Did you think there was anything wrong with the final between Dean Kearney and Alan Sinnott? Sinnott had it won and it kept being ran again and again and again till Dean span off. It happens every round some favourtism between the judges.
I was ther but i couldnt see the run... Im not saying i always agree with the judges decisions... I didnt agree with 1 in Fermoy but no matter who judges wed be listenin to all this... Its a tough job and every1s not always goin to agree!
I was ther but i couldnt see the run... Im not saying i always agree with the judges decisions... I didnt agree with 1 in Fermoy but no matter who judges wed be listenin to all this... Its a tough job and every1s not always goin to agree!
Agreed it is a tough job but they should be swapped every round to keep it fair on the drivers.
conor-vtec86
19-04-10, 18:51
i wasnt there but i said it last year i think pro qualifying needs to go back to being done on sunday morning so the spectators get to see more than just 16cars for the 20euro in,i thought the old way was better qualfying with loads of cars that morning,just my opinion
Agreed it is a tough job but they should be swapped every round to keep it fair on the drivers.
If you keep swapping you run the risk of getting some1 completely biased towards 1 driver and no matter what sending them through... Just wouldnt be possible! None of the other top series do that and infact they all have the same arguements after each round... Because not every1 is going to agree...
MCNSPORT.com
19-04-10, 18:58
In another post you were defending the judges. My point is simple get new judges for each round. Who thinks the same? Prodrift is nothing with out the support(money) from fans and the fans deserve to see the best drivers win on the day(taking nothing from James Deane he was unreal on the day and Nigel Colfer) also and get rid of favourtism altogether its not just this round last year was the same and the same points come up here after each round.
i said judging is a thankless job thats hardly defending
different judges each round wouldn work it would cause massive inconsistencies
favourtism is your opinion and i dont think everyone would share your view
Aidan Hogan
19-04-10, 19:01
i dont think everyone would share your view
I'm one of those people !!!
Have to say I'm with Darren on this one
I dont think the judging was that bad sunday, If i was judging myself id have done a SIMILAR job.
Darrens car had to be all over the place after the impact saturday evening.
His pre qualifying run was awesome, think he took a Ueo approach to the first corner :)
You do get tired of watching the same cars all day long so qualifying sunday morning would be a good idea.
Well done Gem, will you be able to keep up with the debut :p
James Deane RX7
19-04-10, 19:31
I didnt read soo much in a long time:eek: some very interesting points made. As for calls made yesterday I couldnt say because I was watching from the start line all day.
Really enjoyed yesterday and I must say I was lucky to win it, everyone was on form and i was struggling with the car, it took me awhile to get back in to it. Roll on round 2
I have to agree on the favourtism part,cause there was a few times there deceisons where a load of balls plop.
intresting thread just to clear it up they should use past drivers for an event and see do the comments come back the same way
G. Sweeney
19-04-10, 19:44
Ya very valuable points made ... Although weekend woz savage good driftin , good weather, (even great talent around :P ) .. Very good weekend in general view of driftin..
Firstly on the judging,With a quick ref to Alan Vrs Dean @ Japfest last year,As I said on here before it was all set up for Dean to win until he knocked himself out!
Yes There was also a strong favoritism.
Dan,Admit you tie to prodrift and take your tongue out of their arse,Your a cousin of the owner,are employed and socialize with them,So take the brown off your nose and go back to bragging of being "head track marshall" to a group of kids I seen you taking to.Dont deny it,I have the video saved on my N95 and was also witness by 2 members on here.
Pro qualifying on Saturday was a joke imo,Darren #1????WTF? Was I the only one to judge it a poor lap? At least if your gonna push your brother through the series dont do it so blatant after a crap lap?
Darren,Sorry to see the car in tatters,Unlucky.
Sundays judging was quiet fair only for Kieren Hynes bigging up the Caark Massive,He's a joke to be fair,Last year he wasnt bad but this year fuck me hes off the wall!
Ian Bergo Bergin,I comend him on a job well done,Found him extremely biased last year making terrible calls but this year and rd 1 I found him spot on.
Pedan,Excellent this year.And last.
John Gibbons,Shoot that Cnut!
Thought Eric was very easy on the ear,Enjoyed hearing what he had to say!
Saturdays are far to jam packed,Left nothing for Sunday,€20 for16 drivers and €26.50 for a jack russell burger.C'mon.
Infairness I did enjoy the weekend,Some fine metal this year.Some excellent driving by alot of drivers.
Most improving drivers this year,Dan Moorhead,Shane Sullivan,Donal Fucking Garry Jesus he was unreal (still needs SR tho):)!
Car of the Event and prob the year for me,Christys Phat Bitch S15,Fook that thing could cause cancer with the smoke,GTR ass and that car will be the one to beat.
Sinnott,Very deserving of 3rd place,Drove excellent all weekend-Needs to get grip tho to get the car to travel,You could see at the back of the tear drop where the S bodys were making ground on exit.
Colfer,That car is on the money,Hopefully last years bugs are gone,Steady,Excellent but safe;) drive all weekend.
James Deane,God,Truth be known Papa Deane and Mammy Deane must have conceived him in an Rx7,Jesus the car was made for him,He just puts it where he wants,Whoever said an RX7 was gonna be hard to drift obviously never ran it by him,Huge congrats on what was some show!Gonna take a good'un to beat you lad!
Overall a great weekend,Absolutely burnt to fuck now,Dyin in work all day!
Bring on the Punchestown,My local event.
All of the above comments are in my opinion,Im entitled to it.
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I do not know what a tracker mortgage is.
Micks posts are regulated by the financial regulator.
Good points there Mick i knew Dan had some tie to Prodrift. Thanks for clearing that up
James Deane RX7
19-04-10, 20:02
RX7 is really hard to drive but i like the challenge!
RX7 is really hard to drive but i like the challenge!
G'way lad,Never seen someone so consistent!
EvojeepGal
19-04-10, 20:31
Was gutted i couldnt make it, had ferry etc all booked but out of my hands prevented me :(
Heard there was a lot of Karnage, which is a shame, surely there has to be some way of tryin to save lads cars against a concrete wall while they're still Amateurs etc?
Lads breaking their balls building and funding cars only to be stuck with a pile of metal afterwards.
Weird there was a bigger crowd on sat, maybe because it was only a €10'er? and there was more to watch with dramas etc...
I was at JDM Allstars the wk end, savage savage driving including Luke Fink making the trip for the event, and it was only £10stg entry.
I feel the €20 entry fee's really need to be revised and encourage families to go to events for a day out, noone has the spare funds like they did a few years back.
The athmosphere and crowds were also great and in high spirits, even when there were track breaks due to monstor trucks breaking etc, well done to the commentators, Fussy was one of them :)
I really hope Citywest is publicised enough to make it the great event its lined up to be, as there seems to be plenty of UK interest for it (by talking and encouraging drivers over for it)
Judging is always going to be questionable, regardless of what series you look or compete in, and not everyone will ever always agree.
I do believe a change or addition to a judging panel can be a good input. Although you dont need to go to the extent of flying someone in to do this, and even if you had to, Ryanair are great!
There was no crowd there on the saturday, it was that the day was packed, practice for amateur and non seeded and also their qualifying and top 32, mixed with pro seeded practice and qualifying. Nearly non stop drifting on the track from 9.30 to 7.30 that evening. Sunday then had loads of spectators and had Pro (16 drivers) practice, Superlap and then the top 16.
I can't see why Superlap can't be gotten rid of and have pro seeded qualifying on Sunday with the judges giving results for the qualifying laps as they happen, like in D1 and Formula D. I think it would help the spectators get an idea of how drifting is judged and be able to get behind drivers and see how they are doing.
Weird there was a bigger crowd on sat, maybe because it was only a €10'er? and there was more to watch with dramas etc...
No way, not even 1/100 of who was there on sunday.
its hard keep everyone happy with judges decisions.
though darren was flying on sat before crash.some serious quick entries an practially rubbing the judges wall.tryin 2 hard dude.weather was savage,really made the wknd.and i was speechless afta carpos run.smoke monster.:D pity prodrift organisers dont get rid off the concrete walls an use something bit more drifter friendly.its a shame see new cars in bits after round 1.its expensive enuf, without havin repair cars after every round
.rant over
EvojeepGal
19-04-10, 20:50
There was no crowd there on the saturday, it was that the day was packed, practice for amateur and non seeded and also their qualifying and top 32, mixed with pro seeded practice and qualifying. Nearly non stop drifting on the track from 9.30 to 7.30 that evening.
I mis-understood when reading so.
To be honest, (going on from my last post) it is the commentators that bring the athmosphere to an event, I know previous the PD PA system was shite and couldnt hear nothing.
In BDC & JDM its the commentators who bring the athmosphere to the events crowds and get them behind the drivers, i dont think its down to the crowd itself, maybe import some of the UK guys to get teh show movin a bit for the spectators and livin them a bit!
I mis-understood when reading so.
To be honest, (going on from my last post) it is the commentators that bring the athmosphere to an event, I know previous the PD PA system was shite and couldnt hear nothing.
In BDC & JDM its the commentators who bring the athmosphere to the events crowds and get them behind the drivers, i dont think its down to the crowd itself, maybe import some of the UK guys to get teh show movin a bit for the spectators and livin them a bit!
Danni not everything has to be UK related:rolleyes:
Its John Gibbons needs to go,Chap is a fucking muppet!
Its John Gibbons needs to go,Chap is a fucking muppet!
no truer words were spoken
ian g sr20
19-04-10, 20:57
was a good weekend must say was up their both days sathurday was a better crack than sunday more cars more laps and was on for way longer,
16 cars on sunday!! got up their at 1 then they had a break for nearly 2 hrs which 1 thought was a joke .. and the judges were a joke they have their favourites and notin will evr change with pd every year every round is the same..
scoring 13 - 16 on the super lap never did i c it b4 joke...
its a money racket this 20e and 10e in the passanger for 2 laps of the track come on
EvojeepGal
19-04-10, 20:58
Danni not everything has to be UK related:rolleyes:
Maybe not, but they do have athmosphere at 99% of the events! And a £10 er into JDm Allstars to see the standard of driving along with foreign judges, etc, bargain i say compared to the €20 PD charge for a dull day out!
EvojeepGal
19-04-10, 20:59
its a money racket this 20e and 10e in the passanger for 2 laps of the track come on
Its Stg£10 in the UK for 2laps also so count yourself lucky, and they loved it!
start the bring back morris campaign me think,im gettn sick of gibbons asken same stupid question ,{ do drivers use 5min rule on purpose] drives me nuts, either get tommy and hector in,wudnt hav a clue but they be funny none the less lol:D
EvojeepGal
19-04-10, 21:03
either get tommy and hector in,wudnt hav a clue but they be funny none the less lol:D
Podge and Rodge FTW!!!
There was no crowd there on the saturday, it was that the day was packed, practice for amateur and non seeded and also their qualifying and top 32, mixed with pro seeded practice and qualifying. Nearly non stop drifting on the track from 9.30 to 7.30 that evening. Sunday then had loads of spectators and had Pro (16 drivers) practice, Superlap and then the top 16.
I can't see why Superlap can't be gotten rid of and have pro seeded qualifying on Sunday with the judges giving results for the qualifying laps as they happen, like in D1 and Formula D. I think it would help the spectators get an idea of how drifting is judged and be able to get behind drivers and see how they are doing.
I agree, having the pro seeded qualifying on Sunday would also mean all the pro drivers would get more media/public exposure, witch might mean more sponsorship for them.
that a boy kenny no pussy footing round with you:cool:
on a lighter note where did maurice walsh go???
that a boy kenny no pussy footing round with you:cool:
You know how I roll Brady,I speak whats on my mind,
Its gas how lads we're in here running their gob,I post then not a thing from them yet I watched them watch this thread for the last hour,Fun times!
Roll on Punch and the return of Maurice to the mic and Gibbons to the studio where he belongs.
conorosr20
19-04-10, 21:43
Prodrift need something to attract a crowd,a crowd that not only eat and sleep drifting but something different,what the jdm all stars do in the uk is great,they have everything,free style motocross,monster trucks,its something different,and cheaper!!! most people ya talk to are sick of paying 20 euros to watch the exact same thing every event,it needs something to spark it up again,ya get rid of gibbons,get some new judges,not even fly people in but as someone said earlier old drivers etc,a bit of variety is all thats needed,the twin battle between colfer and lenihan was a fuckin disgrace now way should colfer have gone through,and a lot of drivers were hard done by.I even heard off somone before that a certain prodrift judge hates the sound off paul mcs bm and hates putting him through......total bull shit like.
You know how I roll Brady,I speak whats on my mind,
Its gas how lads we're in here running their gob,I post then not a thing from them yet I watched them watch this thread for the last hour,Fun times!
Roll on Punch and the return of Maurice to the mic and Gibbons to the studio where he belongs.
I came in to look about 10 times to see what replys you were going to get all the brown noses must be gone to bed.
ill be watchin this thread closely, jap scrap your car looks great seen ya leaving yesterday
ill be watchin this thread closely,
see what you started........
there will be a revolution yet.........:p
never thought it'd go like this i just started it to see peoples opinions:o
No some people just hav lives... To be honest the 2nd i saw Micks name i knew i was gonna be readin waffle!
But u made a fool of yourself with the statement bout Darren so fair play..
Anyways iv already givin you too much of my time..
Oh and are you into recording guys at work ya????? Whatever your into mayb i should be flattered?? :confused:
Hmmm anyways wastin me own time here so bye bye
No some people just hav lives... To be honest the 2nd i saw Micks name i knew i was gonna be readin waffle!
But u made a fool of yourself with the statement bout Darren so fair play..
Anyways iv already givin you too much of my time..
Oh and are you into recording guys at work ya????? Whatever your into mayb i should be flattered?? :confused:
Hmmm anyways wastin me own time here so bye bye
Baahaaa,Drunk in the foundry toilets if I recall it correctly,We all had a right laugh at your expense that night. "Do you know who I am":o:o
I like the family way of standing up for each other,Same as you had Darren PM me the last time I upset you assuming I would have stopped as it was Darren.
Moving swiftly on..
Baahaaa,Drunk in the foundry toilets if I recall it correctly,We all had a right laugh at your expense that night. "Do you know who I am":o:o
I like the family way of standing up for each other,Same as you had Darren PM me the last time I upset you assuming I would have stopped as it was Darren.
Moving swiftly on..
Sum boi to talk shit fair play cha...
EvojeepGal
19-04-10, 22:13
No some people just hav lives... To be honest the 2nd i saw Micks name i knew i was gonna be readin waffle!
But u made a fool of yourself with the statement bout Darren so fair play..
Anyways iv already givin you too much of my time..
Oh and are you into recording guys at work ya????? Whatever your into mayb i should be flattered?? :confused:
Hmmm anyways wastin me own time here so bye bye
I actually dont understand why u should need to come on here and explain anything tbh :confused:
Opinions are opinions, everyones entitled to them, friends/family or whatever or not. I dont see why its going this way when theres plenty of others out there tat daggers can be thrown at for the sake of an arguement:rolleyes:
I actually dont understand why u should need to come on here and explain anything tbh :confused:
Opinions are opinions, everyones entitled to them, friends/family or whatever or not. I dont see why its going this way when theres plenty of others out there tat daggers can be thrown at for the sake of an arguement:rolleyes:
Yes and i too am giving my opinion...
Yes and i too am giving my opinion...
thought u were going??????????????:rolleyes:
Bed time now and tanx mick my facebook is hoppin here cas of ya... Sound
conorosr20
19-04-10, 22:21
Yes and i too am giving my opinion...
your last 3 comments are not opinions........quit while your ahead.....
Great event, great weather, great track and a good result... congrats to James!! but watch out!!! lol!!! ;)
Just a pity that internet waffle like this has to ruin an awesome weekend!! about 2% of the last 13 pages is constructive!! :rolleyes:
conorosr20
19-04-10, 22:25
[QUOTE=nigey00;99331]Great event, great weather, great track and a good result... congrats to James!! but watch out!!! lol!!! ;)
Just a pity that internet waffle like this has to ruin an awesome weekend!! about 2% of the last 13 pages is constructive!! :rolleyes:[/QUOTE
Internet waffle? Is it not a forum for people to come and express there thoughts/opinions?
Great event, great weather, great track and a good result... congrats to James!! but watch out!!! lol!!! ;)
Just a pity that internet waffle like this has to ruin an awesome weekend!! about 2% of the last 13 pages is constructive!! :rolleyes:
My afterthought: Well done Nige... U wer on it all weekend! All the twitchin in Long Beach was worth it :D
[QUOTE=nigey00;99331]Great event, great weather, great track and a good result... congrats to James!! but watch out!!! lol!!! ;)
Just a pity that internet waffle like this has to ruin an awesome weekend!! about 2% of the last 13 pages is constructive!! :rolleyes:[/QUOTE
Internet waffle? Is it not a forum for people to come and express there thoughts/opinions?
It is and there is alot of valid points made aswell.
MCNSPORT.com
19-04-10, 22:32
Pro qualifying on Saturday was a joke imo,Darren #1????WTF? Was I the only one to judge it a poor lap? At least if your gonna push your brother through the series dont do it so blatant after a crap lap?
Darren,Sorry to see the car in tatters,Unlucky.
can you explain this a bit more mick please
Which part Darren? Its self explanitory.
MCNSPORT.com
19-04-10, 22:38
jesus your quick you must be waiting with your fingers hovering over the keyboard all nite
i dont see how pushing me thru the series would beneift anyone, you saying that what the judges score is changed after or somethin
if you have this many complaints then maybe you should stay at home next time
jesus your quick you must be waiting with your fingers hovering over the keyboard all nite
i dont see how pushing me thru the series would beneift anyone, you saying that what the judges score is changed after or somethin
if you have this many complaints then maybe you should stay at home next time
Are you getting wound up Darren,You sound a bit hostile????:rolleyes:
Im not saying the judges score was low enough to ever need changing:),I simply stated that your qualifying run wasnt good enough towards some of the other drivers and I dont believe you were deserving of #1 qualifier on the day,Worthy of top 16,Yes,Not #1.With the drop in track temps that eve for pro qualifying alot of guys didnt adjust well,No shame!
I think I might go along next time,Nice and local.
for fuck sake lads, after EVERY event we have a good thread get hi-jacked by this SHIT! Lads everyone is welcome to their opinions but when it comes to outright starting shit with people there WILL be reprecusions!
Judging is the hardest job to do, you cant see absolutely everything and retards get on forums and bitch about you..
If you have a real problem with the individual judges be a man and say it to them in person, instead of posting stuff on the internet. There walking around during the breaks and aferwards.
seriously its pathetic this faceless bullshit...
for fuck sake lads, after EVERY event we have a good thread get hi-jacked by this SHIT! Lads everyone is welcome to their opinions but when it comes to outright starting shit with people there WILL be reprecusions!
Judging is the hardest job to do, you cant see absolutely everything and retards get on forums and bitch about you..
If you have a real problem with the individual judges be a man and say it to them in person, instead of posting stuff on the internet. There walking around during the breaks and aferwards.
seriously its pathetic this faceless bullshit...
Well said..
MCNSPORT.com
19-04-10, 23:00
not gettin wound up at all man dont flatter yourself
i think i got the extra speed points that are being used this year as my entry speed was so high
so your saying the judges score was low and i was still put in a number 1?
i think i'll come back to this site when this round of the k1 is over
just from a spectator perspective i also noticed the with the flag marshal at dw corner he would raise the flag when scoring box wasnt entered which in my opinion is correct... but john gibbons constantly said that when the flag was raised it means the scoring zone was entered.... was kinda confusing for spectators that are new to the drifting but i am sure the judges scored it on the basis that raised flag means no socoring box entered
anyone else cop this??
If you have a real problem with the individual judges be a man and say it to them in person, instead of posting stuff on the internet. There walking around during the breaks and aferwards.
Hey chap :)
Im just thinking here, even if they have some "problems", you really think that will solve the problem if they talk to them in person ?
I doubt here, yes all the guys are friendly and will talk to you the nicest way, but will that really solve the overall judgement ?
Im not really with drift judgement and rules, but ... i heard the crowd making bad noise after some judging. Will that make any sense to judges ? Or the crowd is really so stupid after 5-6 years of watching the PRO drift here ?
Judging is the hardest job to do, you cant see absolutely everything and retards get on forums and bitch about you..
If you have a real problem with the individual judges be a man and say it to them in person, instead of posting stuff on the internet. There walking around during the breaks and aferwards.
2 points here,
Why dont they put themselfs in a position to see everything?
Iv said it before and il keep saying it, why are they not in 3 different positions judging 3 different things leaving no chance of a blind spot for the judges.
the second is they put their hands out to be slapped with some of the calls and should read over the threads and take things on board.
i can remember whos run it was in the super lap but he scored 18. 8, 6 and 4. how can 3 people in the same spot watch the same run and see things so different?
i can remember whos run it was in the super lap but he scored 18. 8, 6 and 4. how can 3 people in the same spot watch the same run and see things so different?
And i think Deane's run was never worth 10 points in Superlap !
He did way better laps after that ...
also with super lap scores the judes would just say 5 for example and dont give a reason for the score really doesn help new spectators understand whats needed to score big..
also with super lap scores the judes would just say 5 for example and dont give a reason for the score really doesn help new spectators understand whats needed to score big..
myself A1do and gaycono were talking about that yesterday, they didn't seem interested in talking just geting on with it. makes a change for Pd:D
anyway roll on Rd2 we see if they have learned anything from this thread
EvojeepGal
19-04-10, 23:10
I actually think a proper/better PA system would narrow down a lot of this arguement as when battles etc commence, the judges/commentator should be able to explain what the corwd didnt see when the judges obviously have the view point.
Sided or not, once the judges decision is actually explained it does help. Happened at a few UK events where people were mouthing at decisions but once explained it cleared the crowds anger/confusion on some decisions
irishpaddy
19-04-10, 23:11
just from a spectator perspective i also noticed the with the flag marshal at dw corner he would raise the flag when scoring box wasnt entered which in my opinion is correct... but john gibbons constantly said that when the flag was raised it means the scoring zone was entered.... was kinda confusing for spectators that are new to the drifting but i am sure the judges scored it on the basis that raised flag means no socoring box entered
anyone else cop this??
yeah i noticed that... so i wasnt sure wtf was going on...
i also didnt know what was happening for the first 2 rounds of twin drift as some of the drivers were taking a wide line and the other would stay tight and overtake......
personally i like the the old style of overtaking... there was way to much confusion last year with when you can overtake... i thought it took away from the competition.
the wide line is great for qualifying/superlap though.
this "bias judges" thing is a load of clatrap... from my view of the track there was 1 or 2 bad calls but i agreed with almost all of them... the judges had the best view in the house.
the PA system was perfect were i was...
2 points here,
Why dont they put themselfs in a position to see everything?
Iv said it before and il keep saying it, why are they not in 3 different positions judging 3 different things leaving no chance of a blind spot for the judges.
the second is they put their hands out to be slapped with some of the calls and should read over the threads and take things on board.
i can remember whos run it was in the super lap but he scored 18. 8, 6 and 4. how can 3 people in the same spot watch the same run and see things so different?
if there was a judging stand at every corner the fans wouldnt be able to see anything, and the judges do need to be elavated in order to see as much as possible...
I dont care about you lot giving ur opinions on the judging or any of that, its a forum thats the point BUT when it comes to bitching like skool girls about judges and pd staff thats where i draw the line!
In my opinion the judges are doing the best they can, i put it to the forum to nominate 3 people who they feel would be qualified to judge such as fast growing sport and wel enquire with pd about getting them involed somehow...
Well said..
Thought you were gone to bed lad.
This is what these threads are for to discuss what happened and leave people have their opinion.
Still, how to explain 4 points difference in judging ?
8;6 and 4 points...
i can see here a HUGE gap ...
Thought you were gone to bed lad.
This is what these threads are for to discuss what happened and leave people have their opinion.
Lap top lad... A modern day marvel!
i nominate flat eric,frenchy,brendan stone ,no one could argue about the knowledge between these 3, i dont think the average pd fan who hasnt competed wud have the same impact..
Dunnedriftin
19-04-10, 23:26
i put it to the forum to nominate 3 people who they feel would be qualified to judge such as fast growing sport and wel enquire with pd about getting them involed somehow...
im not bitching about nothing but if i was to pick 3 people to see on the judging stand at a event it would be the following imo!
Damien Mulvey
Martin Ffrench
Eric o sullivan
i think there well experieced in the drift scene & recon they would be able to make fair decent decisions...
Prodrifter86
19-04-10, 23:28
Darren qualified first on saturday and then hit the wall hard on his second run. He did his best today but the car was about a foot shorter on one side causing it to steer like a shopping trolley, I think its fair to blame the car for his two spins in top 16.
Overall I think it was a brilliant event to start the year off.You can never keep everyone happy and to be honest I didn't agree with some of the judging either but I know how hard it is for PD to even get judges and I respect the lads decisions.
I dunno what was up with the crowd but even in the pits there seemed to be very little going on, i think its due to only 16 cars being around on sunday. Saturday was absolute madness with cars everywhere and there was a great atmosphere around, maybe have pro qualifying on sunday morning instead ???
Driving was superb, so many lads have stepped up their game big time and although James was amazing today I think he'll have his work cut out to claim another title.
I know there was some words had at the drivers briefing about lines and walls etc, how do the rest of you boys feel about all that as I only spoke to a couple about it. Do you prefer running close to walls out wide ?. Would you have preferred there to be no passing so you could run the walls and just have to follow the lead car instead of defending your line or deciding to make a pass ????
What about spectators, which would you lot prefer to be watching ???
thought the track was good as a spectator!,cudnt follow the judges fully at all a bit weird! i thought was grand today and you cant reli say much about him as his car handeled like a wheelbarrow and so what if the lads are all from cork james and darren are two class drivers!! but the judges decisions are made and thats it! the sound system was not great at times aswell! as a spectator i think passing should be the name of the game! during alan sinnotts run when he tried to pass and i think passed the crowds voices rose a gud bit ! but during the runs we were the only 5 people to be shouting alan on to win! haha! but i iive for a savage pass during a drift battle!!!!and wall tagging is favourite with spectators and myself! with those both included aswell! there was also a reli gud crowd but to be honset it wont touch a round that i was at in good old rosegreen! and no other PD track will touch rosegreen for athmosphere!! in rosegreen ur standing right on the track and you can feel the wind of the cars coming past your face! and every1 is in together in the little shed and around to the big shed which makes for great banter! and also the drivers need to be more sort of upbeat and happy when they eithier finish a run or get out of the car on the track and get the crowd going!!!! not just difting back to the pits etc.. like as it was said eariler people like ffrenchie and johnny p and also miguel marini are needed to liven things up! those lads were crazy after runs!
also for the MC: he needs to be more exciting! he not doing a bad job at all but he needs to be like for eg. (like a soccer match when some1 goes to score a goal the commentar wud raise his voice and get reli excited which makes the viewer reli excited! also some said it was a pitty that no1 stayed around for the prize giving , well most of my friends left cuz there were nearly burnt to a crisp! haha but i stayed aorund for a chat with wez and the alan and the boys and because i was in my 1tr corsa we hit the road just in case we didnt make it home! hahahhaha lol! but all in all a good event and its nice to get back into the drifting scene after the winter break! and congrats to every1 who qualified and best of luck to every1 for round 2!!
Sry il bring it up here but ...
I remember how the judging worked in Ice skating, similar to drift id say ?
Id say its a very similar judging here.
Figure skating was formerly judged on a 6.0 scale.
Oh and i cant remember seeing the judge difference more than 1 point in 6 points scale, and then it was more likely political thing (simphaty). Usually it was within 0.5 points.
So can anyone tell me please, hows the drift actually judged ?
How can it be 4 points difference in 10 points scale between 2 judges ?
Oh and dont tell please that ice skating is easier to judge lol ...
Cheers
i personally think 90% of whats said here is a load of balls i watched all day sunday i seen a good few mistakes from drivers that were not comented on from the judges but thats life!! lets all face it james, darren and the lads are all from cork they no each other very well so fucking what, the 2 boys can drive we all no that they both drive in fd so there is no reson why they would need help from the judges to qualify even if it was there, if thats the case they may tell the lads they cant drive here anymore because they are to good and it looks bad if they win!!
on the thing "judges need to go" saying they are puting there favorats thats just balls you see it that way bacause your favorate didnt go trough, my opinion i dont like some calls but lets just get on with it
the way i would like to see it changed this year would be a guest judge at each round eric was up there on sunday so it wouldnt have been a big deal for them to give him a seat and let score on the runs, 4 rounds left easy to get 4 people to do it ffrench for example,
and the number one thing to do is get rid of that fucking dope john gibbons!!!!!!!!!!!!!
im not bitching about nothing but if i was to pick 3 people to see on the judging stand at a event it would be the following imo!
Damien Mulvey
Martin Ffrench
Eric o sullivan
i think there well experieced in the drift scene & recon they would be able to make fair decent decisions...
None of them want to do it! its a horrible job!
eric already said in this thread how much of a hard job it is and that he wudnt do it...
damien mulvey aint going to cause he s back in the game, but id say eric and frenchie wid a bit of persuasion wud do it, eric is at the events anyway. other drivers not competing but wud still possibly hav an interest declan munnely, johnatan murphy,glen maher, billy nolan, buttsey, johhny p,, theirs loads of options but everyone knows its never gona change..
Prodrifter86
19-04-10, 23:52
start the bring back morris campaign me think,im gettn sick of gibbons asken same stupid question ,{ do drivers use 5min rule on purpose] drives me nuts, either get tommy and hector in,wudnt hav a clue but they be funny none the less lol:D
please dont bring back that lad! he's so annoying! i remember in rosegreen he kept shouting : whos wants james deane to win or who wants martin french to win and then some1 shouted out : who wants morris to shut the f,u.k up??? and the whole place went crazy!!!!! he's a noisy dope ! (sorry morris)
damien mulvey aint going to cause he s back in the game, but id say eric and frenchie wid a bit of persuasion wud do it, eric is at the events anyway. other drivers not competing but wud still possibly hav an interest declan munnely, johnatan murphy,glen maher, billy nolan, buttsey, johhny p,, theirs loads of options but everyone knows its never gona change..
ha johhny deffo would not do it he hardly said 2 words on the mic when he was up for super lap in ennis last year so i couldnt see him being comfterble doing it french yes he loves to talk
Prodrifter86
20-04-10, 00:11
well to be honest if i had to pick in the morining a new set of judges i wud pick:
Billy Nolan
frenchie
johnny p
those 3 wud be good judges and gud crack!
( and im not getting into the row over the judges, thats just my opinion on who id pick for the rest of the year if i had to)
wasn there the wknd but have seen bad decisions at every event i go to and not jst in prodrift shit happens like the judges are only human and dont always get everything right as for favouriteism every drift series has it and there fuck all we can do or change to say that i personally think that drifting has got too big too quick and got way too expensive it would be cheaper now to go rallying than drift and think the wall riding thing is a joke in these times when times r so tough and money is tight most lads would be out for the year if they smacked there cars what was wrong with clipping points system like its motorsport there always a risk but telling lads to aim for a solid concrete wall is madness what wold be wrong with replacing the concrete with plastic more car friendly barriers
rant over
Some good points... ^^^^ But learn how to use full stops lad will ya :p :D
EvojeepGal
20-04-10, 00:16
there always a risk but telling lads to aim for a solid concrete wall is madness what wold be wrong with replacing the concrete with plastic more car friendly barriers
rant over
Obviously for insurance and safety to the public is the logic reason behind this, not much other options that i know of apart from the metal barrier either, both are not justifyable to a bang though
Dunnedriftin
20-04-10, 00:20
None of them want to do it! its a horrible job!
eric already said in this thread how much of a hard job it is and that he wudnt do it...
I wouldnt say its too easy of a job alright... but end of the day somebodys gotta do it...
Frenchie would be somebody for PD to keep in mind!
Obviously for insurance and safety to the public is the logic reason behind this, not much other options that i know of apart from the metal barrier either, both are not justifyable to a bang though
yeah but put a plastic 1 a few feet in front of the concrete wouldn break up cars half as much . and it would take the fear of wreckin ur car outta goin for the wall
EvojeepGal
20-04-10, 00:38
yeah but put a plastic 1 a few feet in front of the concrete
Theres still downfalls to that though, your still goin to hit the wall, its not going to slow u down and u be draggin a plastic bollard with u!
Although if lads are aiming a few feet back from the wall for plastic ones, they're angles, speeds etc will be different and could help save cars going the extra feet giving time to correct.
Possibly an idea for amatuers in particular to help encourage and get the feel for their cars befone writing them off while learning...
But without a doubt spectators will be moaning that the cars are too far away from proper viewing :cool:
true true.. just keep it on topic lads! please no more bitchin about people...
these are all fair points about the judging, everyones free to express their opinions, we just wont tolerate outright abusing members...
Em, have they still got the cringe worthy stupid PD theme tune shite just out of interest? proper proper annoying 'put it in a ditch ditch ditch' or something along those lines :D
Theres still downfalls to that though, your still goin to hit the wall, its not going to slow u down and u be draggin a plastic bollard with u!
Although if lads are aiming a few feet back from the wall for plastic ones, they're angles, speeds etc will be different and could help save cars going the extra feet giving time to correct.
Possibly an idea for amatuers in particular to help encourage and get the feel for their cars befone writing them off while learning...
But without a doubt spectators will be moaning that the cars are too far away from proper viewing :cool:
it would still reduce the chances of hitting the concrete and would be mad seein plastic bollards flyin lol. there be no spectators anyways if the cars are all wrecked as most lads are an a shoestring budget
EvojeepGal
20-04-10, 00:49
there be no spectators anyways if the cars are all wrecked as most lads are an a shoestring budget
Unfortunately for whichever car is out for the year if it's not fixable for wot ever reason, there'll always be more cars in the que behind to take his spot.
That wouldnt have anything to do with effecting spectators! They love karnage sure lol :rolleyes:
Barriers just test to see who actually has balls and consitancy, bbut not in a nice way:confused:
Unfortunately for whichever car is out for the year if it's not fixable for wot ever reason, there'll always be more cars in the que behind to take his spot.
That wouldnt have anything to do with effecting spectators! They love karnage sure lol :rolleyes:
Barriers just test to see who actually has balls and consitancy, bbut not in a nice way:confused:
i understand that but i jst dont think were in the right economic times to be askin lads to total there cars if it was just smashin a bumper or body kit it grand but have to reshell there car is rough.
EvojeepGal
20-04-10, 01:01
I understand that as i made the point myself earlier about the same thing.
But the way things are, its not going to be changed and its upon each person individually to question their own talents and choices to take the risk as soon as they set from the start line.... Unfortunately i reckon thats how things will stay.
I know when i first drove between walls in Ennis i was reluctant to drive on, but as experience came i learned to get on with it and ignore them, aim for the clips and hope the lines i chose put me right, not much else to do unless u want to watch from the crowd!
But as for opinions, i do wish there was an alternative for safety apart from causeing serious damage to cars, but again in saying that im sure everyone would be of the same opinion, to rather a car get wrote off than the general public getting seriously injured or killed thus causeing Drifting in Ireland to be a memory
They did relax the clipping points on the wall for this event and the likes of Punchestown last year. Once you were within 5 feet of the wall you got the clipping point. Most of the drivers still push to rub the wall.
Like last year at Fermoy the clipping area below the judges stand was a large white line painted on the ground nearly two meters from the bales. In practice and qualifying for pro seeded and un-seeded everyone went past this line just to rub the bales.
I m not sure what they could use instead of concrete as the wall, a second plastic section where the clipping point might work, but with most of the damage done at the weekend the car would still have hit the concrete.
DaveM-sport
20-04-10, 08:49
I much prefered the bales last year but with feed for cattle in such demad this year, it probably couldn't be got:rolleyes:
plastic barriers such as road works barriers empty or half full of water in front of the walls would be grand and add some visual excitment when they go flying when touched but would really slow things down when they hav to be realigned after each run.
Rubbing the walls looks great but i'm not looking forward to having to do it myself when the time comes but I suppose it's like everything, once you get out there it's alot easier and you just get on with it:)
how much is it to compete in events now?what is the prize money?and how much to register?i remember the good old days of 50euro to compete
all the talk of a diffrant wall is stupid imo im out this year to compete in the full seson and if i as worried about hitting the car id leave it at home!! if they were plastic or more hit freindly walls every one would be hitting them for that extra crowd exitment factor and the marshals would be all day putting them back in place the saturday is jam packed as it is with out waiting 5mins between each run for the wall to be put back!!!! leave the concreat as it is if you are afraid to hit it leave your car parked at home
all the talk of a diffrant wall is stupid imo im out this year to compete in the full seson and if i as worried about hitting the car id leave it at home!! if they were plastic or more hit freindly walls every one would be hitting them for that extra crowd exitment factor and the marshals would be all day putting them back in place the saturday is jam packed as it is with out waiting 5mins between each run for the wall to be put back!!!! leave the concreat as it is if you are afraid to hit it leave your car parked at home
Best point made in this whole thread... Well said!
all the talk of a diffrant wall is stupid imo im out this year to compete in the full seson and if i as worried about hitting the car id leave it at home!! if they were plastic or more hit freindly walls every one would be hitting them for that extra crowd exitment factor and the marshals would be all day putting them back in place the saturday is jam packed as it is with out waiting 5mins between each run for the wall to be put back!!!! leave the concreat as it is if you are afraid to hit it leave your car parked at home
On the ball, nobody is forcing anyone to hit the wall, bit of nice rubbage is always kool!! but u have a car length of a scoring zone! So up to yourself!!
PD get up the standings will ya!! Cheers :D
Prodrifter86
20-04-10, 15:43
all i can say after this is and its simple
1: pay up and shut up and do PD
2: dont do it!
end of conversation!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you for the comments guys and girls!
All constructive criticism is welcome and appreciated!
PD
danmoorhead
20-04-10, 17:39
all the talk of a diffrant wall is stupid imo im out this year to compete in the full seson and if i as worried about hitting the car id leave it at home!! if they were plastic or more hit freindly walls every one would be hitting them for that extra crowd exitment factor and the marshals would be all day putting them back in place the saturday is jam packed as it is with out waiting 5mins between each run for the wall to be put back!!!! leave the concreat as it is if you are afraid to hit it leave your car parked at home
totally agree!!! the wall was the pure excitement of rosegreen from both a spectator and driver point of view!!and as gem said if your scared of damaging ur car leave it at home!! at the end of the day the wall is a pure safety issue!!! its der to keep spectators safe!!!
MCNSPORT.com
20-04-10, 19:08
all the talk of a diffrant wall is stupid imo im out this year to compete in the full seson and if i as worried about hitting the car id leave it at home!! if they were plastic or more hit freindly walls every one would be hitting them for that extra crowd exitment factor and the marshals would be all day putting them back in place the saturday is jam packed as it is with out waiting 5mins between each run for the wall to be put back!!!! leave the concreat as it is if you are afraid to hit it leave your car parked at home
This man is on the ball
This is supposed to be precision driving, grow some balls and scrape the wall
This man is on the ball
This is supposed to be precision driving, grow some balls and scrape the wall
Perfectly said!!
how much is it to compete in events now?what is the prize money?and how much to register?i remember the good old days of 50euro to compete
it e150 for logging day and E100 an event after that i think,a bit much but hey thats life
RX7 is really hard to drive but i like the challenge!
James Deane,God,Truth be known Papa Deane and Mammy Deane must have conceived him in an Rx7,Jesus the car was made for him,He just puts it where he wants,Whoever said an RX7 was gonna be hard to drift obviously never ran it by him,Huge congrats on what was some show!Gonna take a good'un to beat you lad!
Would it be fair to say though that by fitting the sr20 you've removed alot of the reasons ppl say rx7s are hard to drift? Lack of engine braking with the rotary engine, small and lightweight engine size means that it is effectively a mid-ship layout. SR20 should remove those two main problems I imagine, and the only other negative about them as far as I'm aware anyway is that you are kind of sitting on the rear axle nearly, although that would be more just a case of getting used to it I'd presume? Although switching between as many cars as you do I imagine that makes it much more difficult. Anyway congrats on the win!!
As for the judgegate topic. Wasnt there so cant really comment. But Irish drifting is all too close nit so it would be nearly impossible to get a totally neutral or non connected person to judge, who would yet still be up to and qualified for the job. Its true that in no other sport would you have somebodys friend, relation or even business colleague etc. judging them in a professional competition, but no matter who you get that will most likely be the case, unless they bring in ppl which I'd be pretty sure they wont.
Nobody will ever be fully happy with judging decisions. Just the nature of the game, and I plan to be at punchestown so I'll get to see for myself I suppose.
lads i been reading through the replys on this thread so i though id stick my 2cents in as well.
no matter what drift event that is/was ever on there is always people complaning,be it prodrift,d-rift or even the di days.you can be assured that the day after the event there will be people whinging about judging,parking,prices,the burgers you name it.
the fact is that the majority of drivers and spectators really enjoy the prodrift events and i for one am dam happy that there is a drift event here to compete in.
the price for entering is peanuts in comparison to rallying or circuit events so that is not an argument at all really.€100 for a competing on brilliant tracks,well organised and well suppored by drivers and sponsors is a steal.
regarding the concrete walls if your afraid of them dont go near them!!its drifting not a pillow fight with cars.most drivers will tell you that once you set off from the start line you dont even think about walls,all you are worried about is your line and clipping points and trying not to spin!
as for judging is a thankless job as no matter what decision you make its going to upset somebody.In different peoples eyes different things will impress them more but may not necessiarly what the judges outline what they want to see as it varies from event to event so cut them a bit of slack.
thanks all i have to say except roll on round two and before anyone has a go i have no links to prodrift or any other series.im just a clubman drifter so to speak:D
lads i been reading through the replys on this thread so i though id stick my 2cents in as well.
no matter what drift event that is/was ever on there is always people complaning,be it prodrift,d-rift or even the di days.you can be assured that the day after the event there will be people whinging about judging,parking,prices,the burgers you name it.
the fact is that the majority of drivers and spectators really enjoy the prodrift events and i for one am dam happy that there is a drift event here to compete in.
the price for entering is peanuts in comparison to rallying or circuit events so that is not an argument at all really.€100 for a competing on brilliant tracks,well organised and well suppored by drivers and sponsors is a steal.
regarding the concrete walls if your afraid of them dont go near them!!its drifting not a pillow fight with cars.most drivers will tell you that once you set off from the start line you dont even think about walls,all you are worried about is your line and clipping points and trying not to spin!
as for judging is a thankless job as no matter what decision you make its going to upset somebody.In different peoples eyes different things will impress them more but may not necessiarly what the judges outline what they want to see as it varies from event to event so cut them a bit of slack.
thanks all i have to say except roll on round two and before anyone has a go i have no links to prodrift or any other series.im just a clubman drifter so to speak:D
Well put lad! People starting to get it at least!
James Deane RX7
20-04-10, 21:15
Would it be fair to say though that by fitting the sr20 you've removed alot of the reasons ppl say rx7s are hard to drift? Lack of engine braking with the rotary engine, small and lightweight engine size means that it is effectively a mid-ship layout. SR20 should remove those two main problems I imagine, and the only other negative about them as far as I'm aware anyway is that you are kind of sitting on the rear axle nearly, although that would be more just a case of getting used to it I'd presume? Although switching between as many cars as you do I imagine that makes it much more difficult. Anyway congrats on the win!!
As for the judgegate topic. Wasnt there so cant really comment. But Irish drifting is all too close nit so it would be nearly impossible to get a totally neutral or non connected person to judge, who would yet still be up to and qualified for the job. Its true that in no other sport would you have somebodys friend, relation or even business colleague etc. judging them in a professional competition, but no matter who you get that will most likely be the case, unless they bring in ppl which I'd be pretty sure they wont.
Nobody will ever be fully happy with judging decisions. Just the nature of the game, and I plan to be at punchestown so I'll get to see for myself I suppose.
No I think when people say RX7's are hard to drift they mean the way they handle, dont think the SR20 made much of a difference. Even if you asked d mac of fFrenchy im sure they would say the same. I think its because they are so short and wide it makes them very snappy and unforgiving.. It is really easy to spin. But the best thing about the RX7 is the traction, they have really good forward speed.
Well put lad! People starting to get it at least!
Get what lad? What are you on about?
Everybody has a right to an opinion on this.
Your view is biased anyway.
You are linked to Prodrift so obviously you will support everything they do.
BROWN NOSE
haha only messin
lads i been reading through the replys on this thread so i though id stick my 2cents in as well.
no matter what drift event that is/was ever on there is always people complaning,be it prodrift,d-rift or even the di days.you can be assured that the day after the event there will be people whinging about judging,parking,prices,the burgers you name it.
the fact is that the majority of drivers and spectators really enjoy the prodrift events and i for one am dam happy that there is a drift event here to compete in.
the price for entering is peanuts in comparison to rallying or circuit events so that is not an argument at all really.€100 for a competing on brilliant tracks,well organised and well suppored by drivers and sponsors is a steal.
regarding the concrete walls if your afraid of them dont go near them!!its drifting not a pillow fight with cars.most drivers will tell you that once you set off from the start line you dont even think about walls,all you are worried about is your line and clipping points and trying not to spin!
as for judging is a thankless job as no matter what decision you make its going to upset somebody.In different peoples eyes different things will impress them more but may not necessiarly what the judges outline what they want to see as it varies from event to event so cut them a bit of slack.
thanks all i have to say except roll on round two and before anyone has a go i have no links to prodrift or any other series.im just a clubman drifter so to speak:D
About the only post on here i totally agree with you have it band on in 1 lad.
As for the 100 euro entry its not bad like its 150 to go to mondello practice day and drifting throught the hole in the hedge you meet a car driving towards you with about 20 - 25 cars on the track and in fairness to prodrift i was always giving out about the seat time drivers got but on saturday we got loads.
driftescort
21-04-10, 16:21
I havent got the time to read the whole thread but I will put my views up;
I went to watch on Sunday and out of all the Drifting I have been to over the years both spectating and driving (and thats quite alot), I thought that it was the most boring I have ever been to and €20 was too much to charge to get in for what was on offer.
I didnt think any of the drivers were up to there usual quality of driving and that MASSIVE gap between super lap and top 16 was horrendous with nothing to do but watch some people being taken for spins.
On the judging I thought it was very poor. For example in the superlap one judge scoring a driver 4 and another judge scoring him 8 was rediculous. I really think there should be more qualified judges as I thought a couple of the decisions were very dubious.
I hope Prodrift can up there game as they have all the ingredients to make a fantastic series which I can once again attened and be blown away by whats on show.
Edit: Although I did hear Saturday was rocking and James Deane WAS on top form!
Jesus lads my heads melted after reading all these comments haha..:)
People are always going to complain about events, and in this case the same few have been doing the whinging, but fair enough everyone is entitled to an opinion. However unless ye are going to be constructive about it then just quit it. Its not fair to be attacking people, getting abusive and so on.
All the points about bringing in Judges are fair too but no doubt WHOEVER was brought in would be slaughtered in exactly the same way. Judges make decisions, some ppl will support them, others wont. Its always been that way and no matter who is judging it wont change.
Great weekend, unreal weather and some pretty promising displays of whats to come for the rest of the series...
Roll on Round 2 and the fun in Punchestown.... can't wait :)
Couldn't be bothered reading through the that whole thread. I really enjoyed last week, great weather, had a great laugh with the lads and some really good quality drifting. The only problem I had was the Judging, I normally didn't mind the judging at all the other events sometimes they are hard to call but last week took the piss abit.
Jesus lads my heads melted after reading all these comments haha..:)
People are always going to complain about events, and in this case the same few have been doing the whinging, but fair enough everyone is entitled to an opinion. However unless ye are going to be constructive about it then just quit it. Its not fair to be attacking people, getting abusive and so on.
All the points about bringing in Judges are fair too but no doubt WHOEVER was brought in would be slaughtered in exactly the same way. Judges make decisions, some ppl will support them, others wont. Its always been that way and no matter who is judging it wont change.
Great weekend, unreal weather and some pretty promising displays of whats to come for the rest of the series...
Roll on Round 2 and the fun in Punchestown.... can't wait :)
1 post you have to date sounds a bit odd to me you defend so much welcome to drift ireland will be intersting to see how many posts you put up
1 post you have to date sounds a bit odd to me you defend so much welcome to drift ireland will be intersting to see how many posts you put up
Errrm, not really sure how many posts I make has to do with it. I read what was said and give my opinion on it, same as everyone else has done. Im not defending anything, im calling it as I see it. Simples :)
SPUNKYMUNKY
05-05-10, 16:43
Wish i was there.. :(
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