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Tekno Twinky
16-06-09, 00:48
Ok so iv hated d1 for a good few years back now and i havent realy seen my thoughts exactly, come up in a thread on any of the forums so heres my 2c, I cant stand commercialising somthing?a lthough i know it has to be done? its still my personal opinion...
Back when MSC started i was " diggin " the jap competition scene again with new raw from the street underground style BADical cars competeing!
Msc still rocks mind..
However i never found such a perfect video to rep my thoughts as this new add for Option videos latest...
Note; TKYO DRIFT:confused:(English kack branding) Tsuchiya crashing:D , Car styles are all pretty bumish and functional looking bahh its all sooooo 9pound note'ish:confused:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lprb67y6vP4&feature=player_embedded
Myself an kev(Gar-4-age 86) are pretty grass roots and hed share these views also..i for 1 will never sell out to shity marketed commercialisin'
serious tom
16-06-09, 01:05
i got the perfect blog entery for ya let me find it,
D1 is getting shite,
just relys one its exposure world wide for moni'ssssssss
There was a thread on DriftWorks a while ago , discussing which drift series/scene is better , the American or Japanese .
I voted the Japanese due to MSC being there , and also because I think the American series is too commercial and seems to be moving away from its roots .....
BUT , you have to consider that in order for anyhting to progress and grow , lots of money need to be pumped into it . In turn the companies which provide that money want to be advertised , and so we get stickered up cars . Personally I prefer the MSC/grass roots/street style cars but sure without company advertising and company backing how else would many drivers be able to afford to run 'their' cars at such a high level .
From the vid though , it does seem that its all getting a bit gay.... which is shit .... ah sure Hooray for JDM tyte titties ,at 1:10 , tho ! :P
guys at the end of the day everyone wants drifting to be accepted and giving the green light by everyone, they only way this is going to happen is if big brand names come on board and inject money into the sport. then of course it gets all glits and glam and people say drifting is forgetting its roots.
now heres the question, how many people off this site are around drifting long enough to be able to talk about its roots??
conorosr20
16-06-09, 11:27
Thats the kinda walls we should have in Ireland :D
Death Magnetic
17-06-09, 13:47
Its always the same. the people who run and back drifting dont do it the love of the sport, they do it for money.
Its hard to watch something you love get turned into a theatrical performance like that vid is.
That is a load of crap.
the drivers must get a points bonus for hitting the wall.
How long has drifting been out in Japan, Flipping donkeys years. So we are alright over here for the time being. it wont get that bad yet.
Found this, it just proves the point. http://www.hashiriyaexports.com/blog/2009/03/the-death-of-d1-the-rise-and-fall/
Tekno Twinky
17-06-09, 22:14
Its always the same. the people who run and back drifting dont do it the love of the sport, they do it for money.
Its hard to watch something you love get turned into a theatrical performance like that vid is.
That is a load of crap.
the drivers must get a points bonus for hitting the wall.
How long has drifting been out in Japan, Flipping donkeys years. So we are alright over here for the time being. it wont get that bad yet.
Found this, it just proves the point. http://www.hashiriyaexports.com/blog/2009/03/the-death-of-d1-the-rise-and-fall/
Absolutly perfect write-up! My thoughts for a looonnnnnnnnnng time now!
I also think ProDrift is bi-est to certain hankook sponsored driver/s
Death Magnetic
18-06-09, 10:49
Yeah sure look what mr deane did in the first event of D-rift
i agree and disagree with loads of points above, but FOR ME, i dont like the Irish scene as much as nes we see on videos from abroad .Just personaly though!
We get raped on prices to drive shit 'tracks' first of all, thats the main reason i dont compete, or save to compete!
Our track time is bollox, they make you pay your in, and keep letting people pay in and in and in until people just get like, 1 run....wtf is the craic with that. keep it interesting, limit numbers to a certain extent!
Also, there is no irish cars that i can think of off my head that are apealing to me! it does my head in! all the vids from comps in Jap etc, and they have aaaaaaaaaaaall the variants of cars, all mad wheels and style! Come to Ireland, and its an s body nissan, with an sr20, rotas and a uras copy kit. yaaaaaaaaaaawn.
Id love to go to an even in Jap, and event in fact, they look like there having so much fun! they arent so feckin serious al the time, they fix things with hammers and cable ties and get on with it! thats my scene, variety, laid back, but still the skilled ones come out best. and its decent to watch with all the bad ass cars!
so anyway, whats this thread about?
im completely off topic, oh well! :D
retro head
18-06-09, 17:45
i agree and disagree with loads of points above, but FOR ME, i dont like the Irish scene as much as nes we see on videos from abroad .Just personaly though!
We get raped on prices to drive shit 'tracks' first of all, thats the main reason i dont compete, or save to compete!
Our track time is bollox, they make you pay your in, and keep letting people pay in and in and in until people just get like, 1 run....wtf is the craic with that. keep it interesting, limit numbers to a certain extent!
Also, there is no irish cars that i can think of off my head that are apealing to me! it does my head in! all the vids from comps in Jap etc, and they have aaaaaaaaaaaall the variants of cars, all mad wheels and style! Come to Ireland, and its an s body nissan, with an sr20, rotas and a uras copy kit. yaaaaaaaaaaawn.
Id love to go to an even in Jap, and event in fact, they look like there having so much fun! they arent so feckin serious al the time, they fix things with hammers and cable ties and get on with it! thats my scene, variety, laid back, but still the skilled ones come out best. and its decent to watch with all the bad ass cars!
so anyway, whats this thread about?
Its about givin your opinion toward d1 and similar commercialised drifting events held trroughout the world
Sure it has to be done for investmeants etc but its still gay and not fonded by true entusiasts
i agree and disagree with loads of points above, but FOR ME, i dont like the Irish scene as much as nes we see on videos from abroad .Just personaly though!
We get raped on prices to drive shit 'tracks' first of all, thats the main reason i dont compete, or save to compete!
Our track time is bollox, they make you pay your in, and keep letting people pay in and in and in until people just get like, 1 run....wtf is the craic with that. keep it interesting, limit numbers to a certain extent!
Also, there is no irish cars that i can think of off my head that are apealing to me! it does my head in! all the vids from comps in Jap etc, and they have aaaaaaaaaaaall the variants of cars, all mad wheels and style! Come to Ireland, and its an s body nissan, with an sr20, rotas and a uras copy kit. yaaaaaaaaaaawn.
Id love to go to an even in Jap, and event in fact, they look like there having so much fun! they arent so feckin serious al the time, they fix things with hammers and cable ties and get on with it! thats my scene, variety, laid back, but still the skilled ones come out best. and its decent to watch with all the bad ass cars!
so anyway, whats this thread about?
couldnt have said it better man, i agree wit nearly everything you said, especially about the non variety, its soooooo boring and i have thought that from day 1 of being intrested in drifting!!! the last day we went to mondello to watch the drift day it was 95% s body nissans,BBBBBBOOOOORRRRRRRIIIIIIINNNNNNGGGGGG odd skyline, few ae86s, and an FC!!!
about d1 etc, yes, i think id prefer to watch them. Its in a completely differant league that no normal person could compete in due to money, but theres variety, and interesting looks and mods etc, none of which i can even think off in prodrift Irl. But they have all the needs for all the poorer drifters over there, as we can see with the likes of the riskydevil boys, endless tracks and trackdays, AND badass cars, winner!
serious tom
18-06-09, 18:28
im completely off topic, oh well! :D
every point of view and opinion helps.
the KT DK Keiichi has upped the entrance fee into D1 recently, and ya cant win or suceed in D1 if your a priveteer, you have to have all the sponsorship, and certain tyre manufactures sponsoring you,
its not really about the skill or driving anymore, espesially if your a priviteer in D1
- luke huxam had a really good blog entry on this subject
PETER T : made a good point when he said prodrift's numbers are a balls, getting 8 laps after traveling to the other end of the country and trying to get used to the car/track in that time is hard to say the least. The organising should be re-thought, which i know it wont.
There are not only S bodies with SR's, i could list 20 very different cars that could mix it with the "coolest" in japan. As already said drifting isnt long in this country and already this year you see big changes to cars, Nigel colfers build, Alan Sinnotts, James Deane's..... Like pete im off topic a little aswell
I dont watch many vids on the net but i saw one D1 event in-car and from what i can remember it was 2 or 3 corners where the driver didnt leave 4th gear just a couple of shots of the h.brake.... Very dissapointing and seemed to be just 90% down to the car.
retro head
19-06-09, 11:21
Its about givin your opinion toward d1 and similar commercialised drifting events held trroughout the world
Sure it has to be done for investmeants etc but its still gay and not fonded by true entusiasts
HOLD THE FUK ON HERE!!!!i never logged in yesterday and i didnt write that reply whos been fukin with my person i feel violated,kevin or killian if that was youse ye better cut that shit out,im off to change my password tis so friggin obvious anyway
sorry people :o
We get raped on prices to drive shit 'tracks' first of all, thats the main reason i dont compete, or save to compete!
Our track time is bollox, they make you pay your in, and keep letting people pay in and in and in until people just get like, 1 run....wtf is the craic with that. keep it interesting, limit numbers to a certain extent!
Come to Ireland, and its an s body nissan, with an sr20, rotas and a uras copy kit. yaaaaaaaaaaawn.
Id love to go to an even in Jap, and event in fact, they look like there having so much fun! they arent so feckin serious al the time, they fix things with hammers and cable ties and get on with it!
(I shortened the post)
I agree with the above wholeheartedly, driving the length of the country for 2-3 laps is a disgrace and really turns me away from making long haul trips for very little seat time. More regulation is needed.
....and with regards to the monotony of S bodies... have all the ex ITR heads bought 180`s lately or is it just me???
Tekno Twinky
03-03-10, 01:37
HOLD THE FUK ON HERE!!!!i never logged in yesterday and i didnt write that reply whos been fukin with my person i feel violated,kevin or killian if that was youse ye better cut that shit out,im off to change my password tis so friggin obvious anyway
sorry people :o
sorry for the thread revival but thats brilliant ha for anyone who doesnt know john you couldnt begin to imagine how upset somthing like this would make him!
btw it wasn me i nominate Pete..hes a wanker.
MCNSPORT.com
03-03-10, 01:55
never seen this thread before
some of you guys dont see the bigger picture, as some1 whos been around since the roots and also competed at the top level you've no idea how much the pro commercialised has helped the grass roots scene
holy shit, this is old! so old that my posts dont even make sense to me anymore !
MCNSPORT.com
03-03-10, 01:58
holy shit, this is old! so old that my posts dont even make sense to me anymore !
have to say best post ever! got a good laugh off that
Prodrifter86
03-03-10, 17:41
u have a reli good point twinky! he had to crash that car at the start on purpose and even though they are batteling it looks like the leader crashs just for show! and on another point! most motorsports are gone away from there roots and 1 is rallying! its all bout the WRC Cars these days and its a load of bollocks! they should be band and the lads who drive then with there cheque books in hand! bring it back to the clubman level the way is used to be! mk2 escorts and metro 6r4's!:) keep it cheap and most importantly bring the craic back! thank god those s2000 cars are coming in cuz what a sound! bringing back when i was only little! haha
MCNSPORT.com
03-03-10, 17:57
u have a reli good point twinky! he had to crash that car at the start on purpose and even though they are batteling it looks like the leader crashs just for show! and on another point! most motorsports are gone away from there roots and 1 is rallying! its all bout the WRC Cars these days and its a load of bollocks! they should be band and the lads who drive then with there cheque books in hand! bring it back to the clubman level the way is used to be! mk2 escorts and metro 6r4's!:) keep it cheap and most importantly bring the craic back! thank god those s2000 cars are coming in cuz what a sound! bringing back when i was only little! haha
Hav to disagree with some points man
escorts and 6r4's aint cheap, some cost 200k
i think s2000 are boring, should have been made rwd as not enough power for 4wd, i think they are like group n
bring back group b!!!!!!!!!1
bring back group b!!!!!!!!!1
:eek::eek::eek:
Group b rocked balls,
bring it back, they might give ken cock a fiesta with 100000000000bhp and kill him with a firery death:D
MCNSPORT.com
03-03-10, 18:08
group b is so awesome!!!
i no for a fact if it was still around i would hav no interest in drifting
guys at the end of the day everyone wants drifting to be accepted and giving the green light by everyone, they only way this is going to happen is if big brand names come on board and inject money into the sport. then of course it gets all glits and glam and people say drifting is forgetting its roots.
now heres the question, how many people off this site are around drifting long enough to be able to talk about its roots??
Quoted for the truth!!!!
The guy who's doing all this preaching is barely out of nappys, wtf is he doing talking bout drifting roots. Makes me sick...
serious tom
03-03-10, 18:30
group B .... Seriously! group B was tooo far :) wild :)
listen to the quattro :O
serious stuff!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3Mag3kA2J8&feature=related
Gar-4-age 86
03-03-10, 19:10
Quoted for the truth!!!!
The guy who's doing all this preaching is barely out of nappys, wtf is he doing talking bout drifting roots. Makes me sick...
Dont have to be ancient to read into things from the past and lets face it its not the oldest form of fun in the world ;) Personally im a fan of grassroots stuff like MSC etc but without the big money drivin leagues such as D1, formula D etc making advances and generating money then the grassroots scene will suffer simple as.... grassroots still wins though :cool:
As for group B Absolute lunacy at its best!
Gar-4-age 86
03-03-10, 19:13
Hav to disagree with some points man
escorts and 6r4's aint cheap, some cost 200k
i think s2000 are boring, should have been made rwd as not enough power for 4wd, i think they are like group n
bring back group b!!!!!!!!!1
Would be nice to have s2000 and wrc i thinks its the noise of s2000 that rocks pity about bein fwd though:(
MCNSPORT.com
03-03-10, 19:32
s2000 are 4wd
wrc can be a bit boring too, they need to get rid of a lot of electronics if u ask me and go back to group b style plate lsd's leaving 4 black line out of every corner
Tekno Twinky
03-03-10, 20:07
Quoted for the truth!!!!
The guy who's doing all this preaching is barely out of nappys, wtf is he doing talking bout drifting roots. Makes me sick...
What a rediculous statemeant early/mid 80s in japan early 00's in this island to be fair at that!..
All archeologists make me sick there here on earth waffleing on about big creatures moping round eating each other about 65 MILLION YEARS AGO.
2 similar statemeant both as retarded as the other imo.
MCNSPORT.com
03-03-10, 20:13
What a rediculous statemeant early/mid 80s in japan early 00's in this island to be fair at that!..
All archeologists make me sick there here on earth waffleing on about big creatures moping round eating each other about 65 MILLION YEARS AGO.
2 similar statemeant both as retarded as the other imo.
what the hell are you on about??
Tekno Twinky
03-03-10, 20:29
what the hell are you on about??
The other dude seemed to think i was out of place in even having an opinion on the roots of drifting wether it be my own or roots of drifting as a whole because of my age or something he said it made him sick...
Saying that is like saying the guys who discuss dinosaurs are out of place as dinosaurs were around 65million years ago so whats it to do with them sort of thing..
Its a silly thing to say.Thats all
MCNSPORT.com
03-03-10, 20:39
your kind of contradicting yourself as if u are talkin about driftin g as a whole which it seems you are ffrom your first comment, then you are the same as the guys talkin bout dinos???
Tekno Twinky
03-03-10, 20:46
your kind of contradicting yourself as if u are talkin about driftin g as a whole which it seems you are ffrom your first comment, then you are the same as the guys talkin bout dinos???
I dont actually think that about the dinosaur dudes im useing it as an example to compare what the queley guy said about my comment...
Dino men are great! i love jurassic park 1,2 and 3!:):):)
MCNSPORT.com
03-03-10, 20:51
you are one confusing young fella
worst part is i wont get the last 10mins of my life back
Tekno Twinky
03-03-10, 21:00
you are one confusing young fella
worst part is i wont get the last 10mins of my life back
and for thise 10mins or less...
you were free
http://www.gossipcenter.com/files/u39/dominic-toretto.jpg
What a clown, SOME MAN FOR WAFFLING:rolleyes:
Gar-4-age 86
03-03-10, 21:32
s2000 are 4wd
wrc can be a bit boring too, they need to get rid of a lot of electronics if u ask me and go back to group b style plate lsd's leaving 4 black line out of every corner
Oh i need to read up on these things :o Yea have dvd here of group b days proper drivers driving cars with manly clutches and manuals with 0 electronics there isnt enough wrestling with the cars done anymore bores me to watch...
I dont actually think that about the dinosaur dudes im useing it as an example to compare what the queley guy said about my comment...
Dino men are great! i love jurassic park 1,2 and 3!:):):)
ha WTF!!!
i love drifting as a whole, i like watching d1 dvd's , and also d1sl and msc are cool,
and last year FD was reaallly good to follow.
But i also love the small ebisu drift matsuri vids and the idea behind the new DD aswell.............
there's no need to hate the big commercial drift comp's, i like to watch them and take part in the grass routes stuff , just my 2c tho
Gar-4-age 86
03-03-10, 21:44
What a clown, SOME MAN FOR WAFFLING:rolleyes:
Have to hand it to ya Killian i dont know how y come across these lads id swear theres people just jumpin on the bandwagon of loathing u.........its win if you ask me:D:D...
Back on topic this was the heyday of D1 for me...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsYtDfLtvrA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e9Wo8rSK24 etc etc....
Gar-4-age 86
03-03-10, 21:47
ha WTF!!!
i love drifting as a whole, i like watching d1 dvd's , and also d1sl and msc are cool,
and last year FD was reaallly good to follow.
But i also love the small ebisu drift matsuri vids and the idea behind the new DD aswell.............
there's no need to hate the big commercial drift comp's, i like to watch them and take part in the grass routes stuff , just my 2c tho
just seen your blog dude its pretty cool....
Im the same ill always want to be a part of the grassroots scene but ya do get to see some mental stuff at top level.....
Tekno Twinky
03-03-10, 21:52
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-vX8-TWBUE
86 entry speed weight shift throws off miki in the heavy top secret s15 WIN WIN WIN
MCNSPORT.com
03-03-10, 21:53
ha WTF!!!
i love drifting as a whole, i like watching d1 dvd's , and also d1sl and msc are cool,
and last year FD was reaallly good to follow.
But i also love the small ebisu drift matsuri vids and the idea behind the new DD aswell.............
there's no need to hate the big commercial drift comp's, i like to watch them and take part in the grass routes stuff , just my 2c tho
well said Kev thats the way most people think
Prodrifter86
03-03-10, 23:52
Oh i need to read up on these things :o Yea have dvd here of group b days proper drivers driving cars with manly clutches and manuals with 0 electronics there isnt enough wrestling with the cars done anymore bores me to watch...
yes exactly what i was trying to say! it shud be about the driver not the electronics or fancy commeria shitl! just 1 man behind the wheel and a good road or track and whoever wins is the best! SIMPLE AS!
What a thread,Few lads posting in here that were touched as little children I'd say......By their father.So much anger.
Prodrifter86
04-03-10, 00:07
Hav to disagree with some points man
escorts and 6r4's aint cheap, some cost 200k
i think s2000 are boring, should have been made rwd as not enough power for 4wd, i think they are like group n
bring back group b!!!!!!!!!1
yeah i understand where u coming from! but thats in this era where lads are pumping money into mk2's and putting millingtons in everyting! i was more directing it to back in the day (well my fathers days) (even though there lovely cars to watch and listen) it was the driver and co-driver and a few friends in a car with tyres and petrol and a few spanners! a MK2 wit a PROPER ENGINE FOR AN ESCORT A 2.0 PINTO! sum tarmac arches and a cage and away u go! as my dad says the clubmen who kept rallying going were shadowed out by the wrc lads when those cars came in! it was cheap and cheerful where he used to rally every weekend for little cost and a cheap car and still be in the top 5 on most southern rallys! and have savage crack and then everyting was money money with sponsers etc. running cars! grass roots is the way every motorsport should stay and thats the main point! and yes s2000 cars are 4wd but less electronics and they need that little bit more skill but they shud hav no electronics but as said on a article on motorsport news paper by a veteran rally fan and writer, he said: he was in the scottish forcests for IRC 2009 and malcolm wilson said to him while spectating as a s2000 came roaring down the stage:"it brings us old boys back old memories" it was just the ball off those new cars without a turbo and wat a sound it is for a new car!! anyway to go back on topic this message i wrote is basically saying : I YOU GO AWAY FROM GRASS ROOTS IN RALLYING OR DRIFTING YOU WILL LOSE THE LEGACY THAT IT ONCE HAD;) AND THATS A SERIOUSLY BAD THING! LEGACYS IN SUCH IMPORTANT SPORTS HAVE TO BE KEPT FOR THE NEXT GENERATION OR MAYBE THE SPORT WILL GET OUT OF HAND!:)
That blog is veryu good and it does have a very good point.
At the moment im trying to decide whether i should put a good bit of money into my drift car or build a road car which i could have more fun in.
Trackdays are all im doing this year as you have more craic i reckon and isnt that what its all about?
Tekno Twinky
04-03-10, 14:52
That blog is veryu good and it does have a very good point.
At the moment im trying to decide whether i should put a good bit of money into my drift car or build a road car which i could have more fun in.
Trackdays are all im doing this year as you have more craic i reckon and isnt that what its all about?
if you have a van and trailor DRIFT CAR! dont need much money to honny drift tbh..
Road cars get thrashed on these roads and + Garda dont like you if you drive a wird yoke.
Its not about one or the other its just whether to put the money into the drifter to have it run bigger power or to keep it as is and have a road car aswell...balls
about d1 etc, yes, i think id prefer to watch them. Its in a completely differant league that no normal person could compete in due to money, but theres variety, and interesting looks and mods etc, none of which i can even think off in prodrift Irl. But they have all the needs for all the poorer drifters over there, as we can see with the likes of the riskydevil boys, endless tracks and trackdays, AND badass cars, winner!
holy shit, this is old! so old that my posts dont even make sense to me anymore !
You're right there Peter. You even thought the Risky Devil crew were in Japan rather than Chi town lol! :D
Was gonna word my view on this topic, but I'm too hung over and too lazy....
This thread is confusing the shit out of me :confused: I've read it over and over and i cant understand what point your trying to make twinky?
If your trying to say that you'd love Ireland to still be at the "grass roots" stage of drifting thats just crazy man... It was great but i wouldnt wanna step back to that... Drifting has come on leaps and bounds here and we should be thankful for it...
If it wasnt for prodrift we'd prob still be prickin around on that kart track in rosegreen..
I dunno, now im just waffling :rolleyes: Just havent a clue what your tryin to say :confused:
Tekno Twinky
04-03-10, 18:11
This thread is confusing the shit out of me :confused: I've read it over and over and i cant understand what point your trying to make twinky?
If your trying to say that you'd love Ireland to still be at the "grass roots" stage of drifting thats just crazy man... It was great but i wouldnt wanna step back to that... Drifting has come on leaps and bounds here and we should be thankful for it...
If it wasnt for prodrift we'd prob still be prickin around on that kart track in rosegreen..
I dunno, now im just waffling :rolleyes: Just havent a clue what your tryin to say :confused:
Im tryna say although i know DRIFTING as a sport has to get bigger and bigger but i dont like to see it steer away from its origins and just be exploited from it commerce if you understand..
btw @ queley..Im not preaching im putting my thought to the site for discussion,people seem to forget what things are even invented for in the 1st place after some time.
Read bits of this theres alot of bollix in it so here's my 2c, think drifting needs (like it or not) to be commercial, its the big commercial aspect money sponsors ect in d1sl FD D1 ect that get it out there for the world to see, if its to get proper recognition (repect)it needs big company's rocking in behind it, PD UDC ect over here if offered would rip sumones arm off to get sum sponsors like the series in japland and the US...
UDC and PD ftw tho :D
PD UDC ect over here if offered would rip sumones arm off to get sum sponsors like the series in japland and the US...
and they did last year. how many times did you here "Need For Speed" at PD events last year???
all for the good of the sport
MCNSPORT.com
04-03-10, 18:58
This is a confusing thread
i think what you need to say twinky is that you prefer the grass roots scene and you dont like the pro scene, job done
just remember tho that if drifting really stuck to it root only it would be just happening in the mountains in Japan and none of us would no about it
its the pro scene that has spread drifting all over the world and we should be dam glad of it
This is a confusing thread
i think what you need to say twinky is that you prefer the grass roots scene and you dont like the pro scene, job done
just remember tho that if drifting really stuck to it root only it would be just happening in the mountains in Japan and none of us would no about it
its the pro scene that has spread drifting all over the world and we should be dam glad of it
Yeh thats what i said but more complicated :p:D
I dont think he's saying he doesnt like the pro scene but the fact that,going back to the start of the thread, D1 used to be so looked up to and people would look to that to see how it was run,how points weere scored,the cars,the technology,but now it just seems to be about money.
The show aspect and the big name brands looking for advertising space has left the true aspect of the sport fall into the background.
Anyone would be up for seeing a sport they love,whether a competitor or not, to come on leaps and bounds and advance with the years but for it to remain a success it has to keep the right things at the forefront,i.e the drifting and not the money making ability of putting on a crap "show"
Gar-4-age 86
04-03-10, 20:04
^^what hachihead said :) but i dont think hes sayin it as fact hes puttin it out there for discussion hence the question marks on the thread title?? Askin for peoples opinions yknow.....
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